SIPA: What are you doing?
Valerie: Looking up someone. Thank goodness for LinkedIn.
A member just told me she’s getting more traffic from LinkedIn than Twitter.
It’s where the subscription business is right now. It drives audiences to your product.
It’s a long way from the days of postcards.
For some, snail mail marketing is still quite effective. But what we’ve seen over the last few years is a dramatic shift to marketing automation. Even direct email marketing is in decline. It’s clear the marketing industry is changing, and technology is much more prevalent in the field than ever before. As marketers, we are constantly asked to prove ROI for our initiatives. Like media as a whole, we have to continuously embrace new technologies that deliver results in a shorter amount of time.
Where did you start?
I began my career at Telecommunications Reports handling market research on what then was a little new tool called “the web.” We created the first online subscription service for the newsletter industry, and our clients were the “baby bells” like Bell South Telecom. After Telecommunications Reports, I went to Post Newsweek, an early Washington Post web venture. I headed up their online group, syndicated their content, and published Newsbytes.com. We had 22 reporters around the globe. Don Graham [then publisher of the Post] funded my new project, Washtech.com, and I moved over to WashingtonPost.com, under Chris Schroeder. I worked with the newspaper, magazine and web divisions. It was a delicate balance in those days. We mostly repurposed content from the print edition but my reporters wrote for the web. The highlight was when Katherine Graham came to visit. I just followed her around the whole time.
Sounds like you are an entrepreneur.
Definitely. I‘ve been fortunate to work in environments that encourage that. Creative workplaces help me to stay driven.
How did you get to CQ Roll Call?
I’ve known Meg Hargreaves since she was at LexisNexis. She recommended me for the position. I joined CQ Roll Call in January 2011, running advertising marketing. This past July we combined circulation and advertising marketing, which were functioning as separate groups, in a new, cohesive department that I am now head of.
How is your digital advertising? I’m hearing it’s a tough go.
Digital advertising doesn’t have the same economics as print advertising. When I first started in the business, several of us were pioneering the web strategy. We didn’t place high enough value on it at the beginning. It’s the only medium that you can truly measure. For example, no one asks you to rip an ad out of a newspaper and take it to the store and make a purchase, but with digital, we are being asked everyday how many clicks and what type of engagement the online ad is receiving. Even television can’t tie it into engagement like that.
Interesting. Hadn’t thought of it like that.
More and more, we’re able to provide deeper analytics. But we have to get smarter in how we get in the face of our readers—have to stop interrupting them. Behavioral, targeted economics will follow. The question is, how do we bring that online value up. It will eventually equal and surpass print. However, growing the audience is crucial to this process.
That leads us perfectly into your role of Audience Engagement Track Chair for SIPA 2013.
It’s going to be a great conference. Niche publishers have a big challenge: How do you use content to grow audience? How do you get them to amplify your message, tweet your story and discuss it among friends? When should you use Google Hangout? How do you get visitors to subscribe? You can always get a fly-by or a hit by Drudge, and it’s great when it happens. But you can’t count on that. The business side has to work closely with editorial to let them know who’s reading, how they are reading and how they are engaging with us. How many times do they visit and for how long?
Do you have a social media strategy?
In the last several years, social media has become integral in all aspects of marketing, whether its driving traffic or lead generation. CQ Roll Call has both a subscription service (CQ.com) and an open, free site (RollCall.com). Our reporters are tweeting constantly and Roll Call has over 140,000 followers. Twitter is the top traffic referral for RollCall.com. CQ.com is very different; the stories are behind paywalls, so the goal here is how do we drive leads and increase visibility for paid content?
How did your track develop?
The initial title was audience development, but the way marketing in media has changed, marketing really is now about audience engagement. You have all these legacy methods of marketing, such as lists, with the potential for a lot of churn; there is much information to churn. You have to try to find new lists and new ways to attract the user and create demand for your product. Email is becoming less effective as people are being bombarded. How can we reach people in today’s world? How do I engage them? How do we get them interested in what we’re covering? They can also inform you. The big piece is analytics; we have to be data driven and use appropriate tools to identify highly qualified leads.
How do we do that?
It’s not just traffic; it’s not just an increase in visitors. It’s how many pages, time on site, and where are the people coming from? We need to paint a picture of the journey and track their patterns. We need to work with folks in almost every department—i.e. the webmaster, editorial, sales. We’ve created six new blogs recently, and it’s not just young people blogging. Stu Rothenberg, Mort Kondracke, these are big names and long-time D.C. journalists. It’s a fallacy that online engagement is for young people only.
If Roll Call is all free, where do you get revenue?
Roll Call’s primary revenue is from advertising, sponsorships and subscriptions to print. It’s a slightly different product than CQ. Our philosophy is to get people to the site. The free site can also be used as a vehicle to drive leads for the paid subscription services. Marketing automation software lets us segment the audience that comes to Roll Call. We can then see what their interest level is. Do they look like a candidate for our premium services?
Sounds like the game has changed.
It has. Now it’s all about inbound marketing. Inbound marketing is the future. The technology is there. Inbound marketing allows you to find people who are searching for the types of products and services you provide. Potential clients are out there on apps, and we have to be really smart about capturing them. They may be searching for exactly what we have.
Great stuff. I’m ready for the Conference now!
We’re really going to have forward-thinking sessions. I can’t pretend I’m doing everything I want to do. That’s a never-ending list. But we’re doing a lot, and we’ll talk about it at the Conference.
Any of this keep you up at night?
Of course. I’ve had a lot of good mentors and bosses in my career who have allowed me to try new things. I want to make sure I’m doing that for my team as well, providing enough challenges and opportunities.
To be continued on June 5-7!
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Ronn Levine began his career as a reporter for The Washington Post and has won numerous writing and publications awards since. Most recently, he spent 12 years at the Newspaper Association of America covering a variety of topics before joining SIPA in 2009 as managing editor. Follow Ronn on Twitter at @SIPAOnline

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